Comments on: Dive Operators Who Need Some Training http://www.undercurrent.org/blog/2009/07/23/dive-operators-who-need-some-training/ Diving opinions from top diving experts in the dive industry Thu, 24 May 2012 23:14:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Paul Beckett http://www.undercurrent.org/blog/2009/07/23/dive-operators-who-need-some-training/comment-page-1/#comment-684 Paul Beckett Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:59:40 +0000 http://www.undercurrent.org/blog/?p=265#comment-684 Yes Very well written there by Mr Bantin. There is an increasing number of British Divers, one of whom I am tempted to become who just simply cant be bothered to dive abroad, because there are too many diving hitlers about whose newly qualified instructor stripes apparrently gives them some kind of ego trip and a licence to ruin the experiences of those who want to HIRE THE GEAR AND BE LEFT WELL ALONE! I.e. most of us UK divers don't like being "WetNursed" on dives at home and certainly are not prepared to tolerate it when we pay loads of money out for a decent holiday! It's not about bashing PADI - even though the American litigation culture and "WetNursing" has probably come through via this route in diving, its about getting what you the customer wants. In many cases this is to be left alone and let the guide "Wet Nurse" those who want it or heaven forbid need it........ Yes I tend to go with JB on this one and quietly sneak off with another suitably qualified diver - more often than not the guide is a liability. Yes Very well written there by Mr Bantin.

There is an increasing number of British Divers, one of whom I am tempted to become who just simply cant be bothered to dive abroad, because there are too many diving hitlers about whose newly qualified instructor stripes apparrently gives them some kind of ego trip and a licence to ruin the experiences of those who want to HIRE THE GEAR AND BE LEFT WELL ALONE!

I.e. most of us UK divers don’t like being “WetNursed” on dives at home and certainly are not prepared to tolerate it when we pay loads of money out for a decent holiday!

It’s not about bashing PADI - even though the American litigation culture and “WetNursing” has probably come through via this route in diving, its about getting what you the customer wants. In many cases this is to be left alone and let the guide “Wet Nurse” those who want it or heaven forbid need it……..

Yes I tend to go with JB on this one and quietly sneak off with another suitably qualified diver - more often than not the guide is a liability.

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]]> By: TC http://www.undercurrent.org/blog/2009/07/23/dive-operators-who-need-some-training/comment-page-1/#comment-199 TC Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:37:48 +0000 http://www.undercurrent.org/blog/?p=265#comment-199 "It’s not about PADI. It’s about people." Precisely my original point! So references to "PADI coolaid" (admittedly in a comment, not the article) are nothing more than PADI bashing. Precisely the same problem (of naive new opertors/instructors) could occur with new instructors from any training agency. That is the point I was making. It now seems you agree with me. “It’s not about PADI. It’s about people.”

Precisely my original point! So references to “PADI coolaid” (admittedly in a comment, not the article) are nothing more than PADI bashing. Precisely the same problem (of naive new opertors/instructors) could occur with new instructors from any training agency. That is the point I was making. It now seems you agree with me.

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]]> By: John Bantin http://www.undercurrent.org/blog/2009/07/23/dive-operators-who-need-some-training/comment-page-1/#comment-188 John Bantin Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:38:26 +0000 http://www.undercurrent.org/blog/?p=265#comment-188 Read the text TC and you won't miss the point (as you seem to be doing): "Part of the deal was that we stayed at a different hotel and dived with a different operator every day" They were all PADI dive centres.... It's not about PADI. It's about people. Read the text TC and you won’t miss the point (as you seem to be doing):
“Part of the deal was that we stayed at a different hotel and dived with a different operator every day”

They were all PADI dive centres….

It’s not about PADI. It’s about people.

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]]> By: TC http://www.undercurrent.org/blog/2009/07/23/dive-operators-who-need-some-training/comment-page-1/#comment-181 TC Sun, 09 Aug 2009 05:55:51 +0000 http://www.undercurrent.org/blog/?p=265#comment-181 "I have dived all over the world (2,000 + dives) with dive staffs from many organizations." -- So what? I've been diving for 25 years and have the same # of dives or more. How is this relevant to the argument? "It seems that the true meaning of being a “professional” has gotten lost" -- How? What is "the true meaning" of being a professional? Why is your opinion on professionalism any more valid than PADI's? "within the self-promotion objectives of PADI literature" - News flash: PADI is a for-profit entity. Most for-profit entities promote themselves! "being a paid employee has been confused with being a professional" - So doctors and lawyers are not "professionals" because they are paid? Dude, if that's the best you can do, PADI is safe for some time yet. “I have dived all over the world (2,000 + dives) with dive staffs from many organizations.” — So what? I’ve been diving for 25 years and have the same # of dives or more. How is this relevant to the argument?

“It seems that the true meaning of being a “professional” has gotten lost” — How? What is “the true meaning” of being a professional? Why is your opinion on professionalism any more valid than PADI’s?

“within the self-promotion objectives of PADI literature”
- News flash: PADI is a for-profit entity. Most for-profit entities promote themselves!

“being a paid employee has been confused with being a professional”
- So doctors and lawyers are not “professionals” because they are paid?

Dude, if that’s the best you can do, PADI is safe for some time yet.

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]]> By: DW http://www.undercurrent.org/blog/2009/07/23/dive-operators-who-need-some-training/comment-page-1/#comment-174 DW Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:51:51 +0000 http://www.undercurrent.org/blog/?p=265#comment-174 Unfortunately, with PADI's mechanical approach to churning out dive "professionals", this seemingly disproportionate criticism is self-inflicted. I have dived all over the world (2,000 + dives) with dive staffs from many organizations. It seems that the true meaning of being a "professional" has gotten lost within the self-promotion objectives of PADI literature: being a paid employee has been confused with being a professional. Unfortunately, with PADI’s mechanical approach to churning out dive “professionals”, this seemingly disproportionate criticism is self-inflicted.

I have dived all over the world (2,000 + dives) with dive staffs from many organizations. It seems that the true meaning of being a “professional” has gotten lost within the self-promotion objectives of PADI literature: being a paid employee has been confused with being a professional.

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